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report blaming the state department for systemic failures in security at the diplomatic mission in benghazi, libya, where four americans died. >> woruff: from damascus, i.t.n.'s alex thomson reports on the impact the rebel siege of the syrian capital is having on supporters of the assad regime. >> in this educational district and the one next door alone, in the past two weeks 35 small children and two teachers have been killed. >> ifill: we sit down with retiring connecticut senator joe lieberman, the democrat turned independent reflects on the tragedy in his home state and his 24 years in u.s. senate. >> there is reason for people to be angry skeptical and cynical about t willingss or capacity of congress to act or stop mass violence in our country. >> woodruff: and kwame holman remembers conservative jurist former solicitor general and failed supreme court nominee robert h. bork. >> ifill: that's all ahead on tonight's "newshour." >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> support also comes from >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. an
report blaming the state department for systemic failures in security at the diplomatic mission in benghazi, libya, where four americans died. >> woruff: from damascus, i.t.n.'s alex thomson reports on the impact the rebel siege of the syrian capital is having on supporters of the assad regime. >> in this educational district and the one next door alone, in the past two weeks 35 small children and two teachers have been killed. >> ifill: we sit down with retiring connecticut...
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consulate in benghazi, libya a terrorist action. in her letter, rice wrote, "the position of secretary of state should never be politicized. i'm saddened that we have reached this point." in u. economic new the numb of amicans filing new claims for jobless benefits fell sharply last week to its second- lowest level this year. and retail sales rebounded in november, rising 0.3% but that seemingly good news did little to help stocks on wall street today. the dow jones industrial average lost almost 75 points to close at just under 13,171. the nasdaq fell more than 21 points to close at 2,992. the european union came a step closer to a full-fledged banking union today. after an all-night meeting in brusss, e.u. financminiers agreed to give the european central bank oversight of eurozone banks, as well as banks in other e.u. countries that choose to opt-in. the european commissioner for economic and monetary affairs said the agreement was an important step forward for europe. >> last night's decision on the single supervisory mechanism
consulate in benghazi, libya a terrorist action. in her letter, rice wrote, "the position of secretary of state should never be politicized. i'm saddened that we have reached this point." in u. economic new the numb of amicans filing new claims for jobless benefits fell sharply last week to its second- lowest level this year. and retail sales rebounded in november, rising 0.3% but that seemingly good news did little to help stocks on wall street today. the dow jones industrial average...
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they wanted benghazi to go away. they want to empty out and pivot to asia. >> i want to ask you about whether or not the united states has had an opportunity to question this guy abu akhmad the guy in egypt. >> my understanding is they have notified us he has been rolled up. but now we have to go through an entire separate process to gain access. there's no guarantee we will question directly. this may be us giving dicks hoping we ask them so we don't know. this is as far as i am concerned the debate is baiting us to make progress with no guarantee anything will be done. >> here we go again. we have these guys who were targets. we haven't spoken to either one of them while they continue to get our money. shame on us. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you, judge. >> how close is assad to slaughtering his own people with chemical weapons. we will talk about that next. >> lart the gruesome details of what a chemical weapon can do to people? >> it is time for the united states and our allies to make it clear to as
they wanted benghazi to go away. they want to empty out and pivot to asia. >> i want to ask you about whether or not the united states has had an opportunity to question this guy abu akhmad the guy in egypt. >> my understanding is they have notified us he has been rolled up. but now we have to go through an entire separate process to gain access. there's no guarantee we will question directly. this may be us giving dicks hoping we ask them so we don't know. this is as far as i am...
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that team visited benghazi to times. but the team just to be clear was posted in tripoli. >> we only had a person to on the ground 40 days a year. i assume they would've traveled and been there when we had our ambassador there. so i just don't understand but you talk about money, but you had 16 people they're free from the defense department that requested that they stay and you deny that. i don't understand that. >> they were sent three times, and more importantly the team was, in fact, in tripoli if they did, in fact, visit benghazi a few times during their time. >> let me just say, i think you ask good questions but i would also ask you to review admiral mullen's and ambassador to greece request that has very specific set of requirements with respect to funding a suspicion i have reviewed and i will say there've been 18 arb is, not a single one of them has ever been fully implemented. so i understand about this process. i'm just saying that the culture within the state department to me is one that needs to be transfor
that team visited benghazi to times. but the team just to be clear was posted in tripoli. >> we only had a person to on the ground 40 days a year. i assume they would've traveled and been there when we had our ambassador there. so i just don't understand but you talk about money, but you had 16 people they're free from the defense department that requested that they stay and you deny that. i don't understand that. >> they were sent three times, and more importantly the team was, in...
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stories making headlines across the globe and attacking a police station in the eastern libyan city of benghazi has claimed the lives of four officers and injured three more your silence killed a sale and killed one police man by firing a rocket propelled grenade at the compound then shot dead and wounded the others in the ensuing battle the raid is thought to be linked to the recent detention of two men suspected of carrying out several assassinations of security officials in the city. a powerful cyclon has reached the coast of northern fiji several bridges and roads have been washed out with a few regions also losing power authorities say about thirty five hundred people have already been evacuated the cycle only earlier tore through the nation of samoa claiming at least four lives and forcing thousands from their homes. at least thirteen people have been killed and fifty seven injured after several explosions shook the northern iraq e. city of kirkuk no one has claimed responsibility yet for the attack the blasts come only a few hours after a car bomb hit the office of the patriotic union of
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rice as the face of the administration fifth time gold response to the attacks against the mission in benghazi. she is the first. who knows if she will be the last political victim of the fallout. >> is this a loss for america? the people generally think susan rice would have made a good secretary of state? >> people have very different opinions on her. the acrimony that accompanied the attacks is not something many people will welcome. this is not how politics should be conducted in washington. also, the president said the attacks against her had been unfair. she was also being pilloried in the american media by some of her colleagues for being undiplomatic. a lot of people thought she would not have made a good secretary of state. we will never find out. she has done the gracious thing and about out of the race before president obama had to make a decision about whether or not to appoint her. that is not to say she will not get any position in the next administration. she could get a position that does not require congressional confirmation >> is there anyone who he was not spying for? the f
rice as the face of the administration fifth time gold response to the attacks against the mission in benghazi. she is the first. who knows if she will be the last political victim of the fallout. >> is this a loss for america? the people generally think susan rice would have made a good secretary of state? >> people have very different opinions on her. the acrimony that accompanied the attacks is not something many people will welcome. this is not how politics should be conducted...
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ambassador and embassy staff were killed in benghazi in september the most significant event two thousand and twelve is the failure of nato to follow up on its on its libya momentum to create a forced regime change through proxy. mercenaries in syria and the fact that russia and china and iran stood firm on. the entire time table that nato at that in mind to run this you stabilization. and now the entire arab spring scenario is it's not disintegrating it's becoming a nightmare one that spread to western allies in the region like bahrain for mass protest arrest and even death haven't provoked much global media coverage or any push for democracy. and there are instead provocations like the sound the innocence of a muslim made headlines and incited outrage across the arab world funded in the u.s. and considered. the movie didn't go over well in states now run by islamist after post revolution polls in egypt and tunisia. u.s. embassies were left in shambles as plax burned and freedom of speech was back on the debate tonight the film was banned in some countries like russia and defended by oth
ambassador and embassy staff were killed in benghazi in september the most significant event two thousand and twelve is the failure of nato to follow up on its on its libya momentum to create a forced regime change through proxy. mercenaries in syria and the fact that russia and china and iran stood firm on. the entire time table that nato at that in mind to run this you stabilization. and now the entire arab spring scenario is it's not disintegrating it's becoming a nightmare one that spread...
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consulate in benghazi and the death of a very brave american ambassador. you know that points to, of course, serious problems but it's again the backdrop n which it's been quite a success story since the war there. you do have a functioning government. auto revenues have come back and that's important because they can provide revenues for their general population. there's obvious a serious security problem in some parts of the country but it's been a lot better place today than it was two years ago. >> rose: after syria, what happens when they try to move chemical weapons? >>ell,bothresint obama and the british government have given the clearest possible warning -- >> rose: there will be consequences. >> very clear consequences and i think the syrians understand that and those who support us. >> rose: thank you for coming. great to see you again. >> thank you. >> rose: tonight in this election >> tonight in this election, you, the american people remind us that whileur wor haseen hard, while our journey has been long we have fought our way back and we know
consulate in benghazi and the death of a very brave american ambassador. you know that points to, of course, serious problems but it's again the backdrop n which it's been quite a success story since the war there. you do have a functioning government. auto revenues have come back and that's important because they can provide revenues for their general population. there's obvious a serious security problem in some parts of the country but it's been a lot better place today than it was two years...
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some other stories making global headlines an attack on a police station in the eastern libyan city of benghazi has claimed the lives of four policemen and injured three other. as the assailants killed one law enforcement official firing a rocket propelled grenade at the compound and shot dead and wounded the others in the ensuing battle the raid is thought to be linked to the recent detention of two men suspected of carrying out several assassinations of security officials in this city. preparing for a fast approaching cycle over authorities say more than four hundred people have already been evacuated the cyclon earlier refute the nation of samoa claiming at least four lives and forcing thousands from their homes. at least eight people have been killed and fifty five injured after several explosions rocked the northern iraqi city of kirkuk no one has claimed responsibility yet for the attack the blast came only a few hours after a car bomb hit the office of the patriotic union of kurdistan party north of iraq e capital killing two security workers and wounding thirteen tension in the region t
some other stories making global headlines an attack on a police station in the eastern libyan city of benghazi has claimed the lives of four policemen and injured three other. as the assailants killed one law enforcement official firing a rocket propelled grenade at the compound and shot dead and wounded the others in the ensuing battle the raid is thought to be linked to the recent detention of two men suspected of carrying out several assassinations of security officials in this city....
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mission and an x in benghazi. -- attacks on the u.s. mission and annex in benghazi. three other officials were placed on administrative leave. it may or may not be disciplined. are you satisfied that the investigation is done? >> the most important thing is not whether or not the president called it a terrorist attack or anything like that. the most important thing is to nsure that no, benghazi's happen in the future. there were plenty of mistakes to report. in the future, that the coordination is better and we do not make the same mistakes. that is the most important thing. it was a mistake for mitt romney to use this as a political thing during the campaign. i think foreign policy should be bipartisan to the extent that is possible, and in a time of tragedy, americans need to rally around -- rally together and not try to use it for political, partisan purposes. we need to dissect it, see what happened and make sure it never happens again. there were recommendations that were made, and secretary clinton accepts all of them. we have to make sure that our diplomats or
mission and an x in benghazi. -- attacks on the u.s. mission and annex in benghazi. three other officials were placed on administrative leave. it may or may not be disciplined. are you satisfied that the investigation is done? >> the most important thing is not whether or not the president called it a terrorist attack or anything like that. the most important thing is to nsure that no, benghazi's happen in the future. there were plenty of mistakes to report. in the future, that the...
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the most important thing is to ensure that no benghazi's happen in the future. there were plenty of mistakes to report. in the future that the coordination is better and we do not make the same mistakes, that is the most important thing. it was a mistake for mitt romney to use this as a political thing during the campaign. i think foreign policy should be bipartisan to the extent that is possible, and in a time of tragedy, americans need to rally around -- rally together and not try to use it for political, partisan purposes. we need to dissect it, see what happened and make sure it never happens again. there were recommendations that were made, and secretary clinton accepts all of them. we have to make sure that our diplomats or in places all around the world -- some of the places are very dangerous -- that they are protected. and congress has to do its part. i am troubled that the house has consistently lowballed the monies for diplomatic security around the world and has constantly lowballed anything to do with diplomacy around the world. monies that have com
the most important thing is to ensure that no benghazi's happen in the future. there were plenty of mistakes to report. in the future that the coordination is better and we do not make the same mistakes, that is the most important thing. it was a mistake for mitt romney to use this as a political thing during the campaign. i think foreign policy should be bipartisan to the extent that is possible, and in a time of tragedy, americans need to rally around -- rally together and not try to use it...
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tonight, more fallout from the attack in benghazi. u.n. ambassador susan rice is out as the next secretary of state. so who will replace hillary clinton? and a former united states marine locked up in mexico. >> right when he crossed the border. still, the mexican police put him behind bars for carrying a gun and they have left him locked up for months. >> he is tough. somebody is making extortion demands and that say it's time to bring their son home. software mogul john mcafee on the run from the law now back in the united states and as usual he has plenty to say. >> i don't think anybody thinks i murdered my neighbor, except you, the press. >> i have tons of evidence about the corruption, the harassment. if you ever ever tasted guatemala jail food it's not very nice and i would like some sushi. >> harris: after that whole heart attack thing yeah, mcafee has a confession about that. >> the plot against hot star justin bieber. word of a plan that involves kidnapping. multiple murder and castration by shears. >> racing a horse. wait until
tonight, more fallout from the attack in benghazi. u.n. ambassador susan rice is out as the next secretary of state. so who will replace hillary clinton? and a former united states marine locked up in mexico. >> right when he crossed the border. still, the mexican police put him behind bars for carrying a gun and they have left him locked up for months. >> he is tough. somebody is making extortion demands and that say it's time to bring their son home. software mogul john mcafee on...
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attempt he was attacked by a group of armed men in the city of beida two hundred kilometers east of benghazi several cars in his convoy was severely damaged in the attack the premier electrician of turbot was in the city for talks with the local council. the death toll from typhoon bob power which is currently battering the philippines has reached over two hundred and seventy tens of thousands have fled their homes as the elements of course are going else central areas cutting of power into entire province as rescue teams are working in the worst hit areas where it's feared the number of casualties will rise even more the storm is expected to move into the south china sea on thursday. so isn't better to. love a million coverage or has committed suicide in brussels he leaped to his death from an airport car park over eight meters high and the unnamed official said he acted without provocation while waiting for foreign ministry staff who were due to hold talks with nato officials the fifty two year old envoy leaves behind six. after four reaching criticism over massive overspending china's per
attempt he was attacked by a group of armed men in the city of beida two hundred kilometers east of benghazi several cars in his convoy was severely damaged in the attack the premier electrician of turbot was in the city for talks with the local council. the death toll from typhoon bob power which is currently battering the philippines has reached over two hundred and seventy tens of thousands have fled their homes as the elements of course are going else central areas cutting of power into...
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he's 45 years old and the leader of a group that took part in the deadly attack in benghazi, libya on september 11th. he appears to be ambitious and big plans for the group. this is what we know about him. a former egyptian jihad member and released arab spring and setting up terror training camps in libya and egypt with help from al qaeda in yemen. he tried to set up al qaeda in egypt. some of his followers were part of the assault on the consulate. this shows that the muslim brotherhood may be willing to assist the u.s. in going after terrorist. meanwhile secretary of state hillary clinton will testify before the house and senate about the benghazi attacks and the obama reaction to it. the independent review board should have it done soon secretary of state will testify . also in the war on terror, a u.s. drone took another al qaeda leader pakistan tribal leaders say a senior al qaeda commander that just areiched in pakistan a couple of days and a north delone strike took him out. he rose in the al qaeda ranks to be the terrorist network most powerful figure. >> thank you . joining
he's 45 years old and the leader of a group that took part in the deadly attack in benghazi, libya on september 11th. he appears to be ambitious and big plans for the group. this is what we know about him. a former egyptian jihad member and released arab spring and setting up terror training camps in libya and egypt with help from al qaeda in yemen. he tried to set up al qaeda in egypt. some of his followers were part of the assault on the consulate. this shows that the muslim brotherhood may...
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at the white house and question after question was about susan rice and who knew what when about the benghazi attacks that took place well here was one of white house spokesman jay carney's responses to those barrage of questions and got going to say that this is again what is the point of the focus on this it could have been me it could have been invested rice when i took questions on this too and we all relied on. the information from the intelligence community the focus on the sunday show appearance is entirely misplaced and it represents less interest i think in what happened in benghazi and political dynamics in washington and you know what he's right the media is focused on the wrong thing if they want to focus on susan rice that's fine but this overkill of her allegedly misleading the american people based on vague information she may have gotten might not be the most significant thing here and i want to focus on the potential of her becoming secretary of state and the issues stemming from that let's look at who susan rice is and what she represents here's some food for thought susan r
at the white house and question after question was about susan rice and who knew what when about the benghazi attacks that took place well here was one of white house spokesman jay carney's responses to those barrage of questions and got going to say that this is again what is the point of the focus on this it could have been me it could have been invested rice when i took questions on this too and we all relied on. the information from the intelligence community the focus on the sunday show...
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and western interests in benghazi. why were no units postured, alert, and ready to respond to what should have been a foreseeable contingency, one in which two of the four people who lost their lives were killed in the seventh hour of the attack? this raises questions that the pentagon and the defense department must consider. what greater world the we need the military to play a defense of personnel overseas, especially in the broader middle east that has been never more unsettled? what is the right military posture for forces in the region? what do we need them to do? conversations about the military and defense right now, are mostly about budgets and numbers. it is important to talk more about objectives, strategy, and policies since the attack in benghazi could represent a kind of new normal in our dangerous world. the defense department needs to answer these questions. i might add in the authorization bill we added authorization for 1000 additional marines to be used to protect our installations, diplomatic instal
and western interests in benghazi. why were no units postured, alert, and ready to respond to what should have been a foreseeable contingency, one in which two of the four people who lost their lives were killed in the seventh hour of the attack? this raises questions that the pentagon and the defense department must consider. what greater world the we need the military to play a defense of personnel overseas, especially in the broader middle east that has been never more unsettled? what is the...
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susan rice is still being dragged through the mud for her inaccurate statements on the benghazi attack all of this in the quest for the next secretary of state but given her history and more importantly her investment there's more to susan rice than meets the eye had on our t.v. sets the u.n. ambassador and waves the mainstream media is not. and backed by congressional demand but against white house objections stricter sanctions on iran as part of the revamped n.d.a. coming up we'll look at what these new measures entailed and whether they really are nonviolent. it's monday december third eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine and you're watching our t.v. starting off this hour with the latest news out of syria there are reports that syrian president bashar al assad might be preparing to use chemical weapons in his war torn country but the united states and its western allies have warned the syrian government that assad will be quote held accountable if his forces use these weapons against the rebels rebels fighting his government this is also the story being told to the american pe
susan rice is still being dragged through the mud for her inaccurate statements on the benghazi attack all of this in the quest for the next secretary of state but given her history and more importantly her investment there's more to susan rice than meets the eye had on our t.v. sets the u.n. ambassador and waves the mainstream media is not. and backed by congressional demand but against white house objections stricter sanctions on iran as part of the revamped n.d.a. coming up we'll look at...
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i still, though, am very upset over benghazi. i can't believe -- it's amazing how hillary clinton has been able to just skirt away, not have any accountability over what happened. >> i must say i think the real message tonight is with a tragedy like this, hopefully it renews calls for cooperation bipartisanship, and an ability to solve our problems. lou: you think secretary clinton will show up on the 20th of this month, next week, and deas a rule j fully and -- deas avulge all the details? you think the day is dawning? >> i hope i does, but i tell you, lou, i doubt, given the politics of it, that she will. a tragedy rather than a political controversy. >> well, luckily, your wishes may come true some day. thank you so much. >> thank you so much, thank you. that's all for us tonight. we hope you have a very good weekend. it's a week coming at us, the fiscal cliff. i'm sure it's resolved tuesday or wednesday maybe? we appreciate you being with us tonight. as i said, have a great weekend. good night from new york. ♪
i still, though, am very upset over benghazi. i can't believe -- it's amazing how hillary clinton has been able to just skirt away, not have any accountability over what happened. >> i must say i think the real message tonight is with a tragedy like this, hopefully it renews calls for cooperation bipartisanship, and an ability to solve our problems. lou: you think secretary clinton will show up on the 20th of this month, next week, and deas a rule j fully and -- deas avulge all the...
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consulatein benghazi and the state department report in hearings held last week on the attack. >> if you work for him, you would get a material, sometimes generous overbearing, sometimes almost cruel boss. he did not know how to apologize. men of his age and class, they're not going to apologize to a young secretary or typist. he had a way of sort of turning the tables in his version of an apology would be to say, actually, i am kind manage your doing a good job today. the issue was never settled. -- a kind man and you are doing a fine job today. one night to going through naipaul, a german bomb went off. he should not have been out at all. his bodyguard pushed him into a doorway. a couple of thomson's men were slightly wounded. he did not like to be touched. he said, do not do that. he said, sir, you should not be out here. he said, i am only doing this because i know you love to. >> tonight and extended "q &a" of paul reid on "the last lion" on c-span. >> the practices of credit reporting agencies were the focus of a hearing held by the senate banking subcommittee on consumer prote
consulatein benghazi and the state department report in hearings held last week on the attack. >> if you work for him, you would get a material, sometimes generous overbearing, sometimes almost cruel boss. he did not know how to apologize. men of his age and class, they're not going to apologize to a young secretary or typist. he had a way of sort of turning the tables in his version of an apology would be to say, actually, i am kind manage your doing a good job today. the issue was never...
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that video showed an attack by heavily armed terrorists who breached the compound in benghazi within just minutes. we have the full report here tonight straight ahead. among the guests, former u.s. ambassador to the united nation, john bolten, judith mill eric and ed qlien. we begin with the closed door briefs on benghazi that lawmakers say raises more questions than ever that the obama administration insisted the attack was the response of a demonstration prompted by rage over an anti-islam video. fox news correspondent with the latest on what lawmakers saw and heard today from the country's top intelligence officials. >> the closed classified briefing brought together seen your state department, intelligence, and counterterrorism officials for a report on the three-month old investigation into the benghazi terrorist attacks. >> to the degree there was planning involved, something done over days, weeks, or over hours? no indication of long term planning here. >> the attacks cronology was laid oillet in a multimedia presentation with drone surveillance and video from the consulate of
that video showed an attack by heavily armed terrorists who breached the compound in benghazi within just minutes. we have the full report here tonight straight ahead. among the guests, former u.s. ambassador to the united nation, john bolten, judith mill eric and ed qlien. we begin with the closed door briefs on benghazi that lawmakers say raises more questions than ever that the obama administration insisted the attack was the response of a demonstration prompted by rage over an anti-islam...
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i wouldn't be surprised some were used on the attack on our consulate in benghazi. we can't allow that to happen with these happens. it's one thing to lose the conventional weapons, but to have these chemical and by logical weapons fall into the hands of al-qaeda, can you -- >> or hezbollah is standing by. >> or hezbollah, with their intentions toward israel. this is a serious crisis, and we have to be prepared. we have to be prepared to put americans troop not to fight, not to be on the ground and fight, but perhaps american troops to secure these weapons storage areas that we know where they are. no one wants american boots on the ground anywhere in the middle east anymore, but this is a matter of securing weapons of mass destruction, which we know are there and we know where a lot of them are. >> and we may be seeing their effect. >> we may be. and again, i wish -- i hope that president assad appreciates this time the president of the united states is serious, and if the president feels he has to act, i know that every single member of congress will support that
i wouldn't be surprised some were used on the attack on our consulate in benghazi. we can't allow that to happen with these happens. it's one thing to lose the conventional weapons, but to have these chemical and by logical weapons fall into the hands of al-qaeda, can you -- >> or hezbollah is standing by. >> or hezbollah, with their intentions toward israel. this is a serious crisis, and we have to be prepared. we have to be prepared to put americans troop not to fight, not to be...
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we saw what happened with benghazi. islamists are pouring into syria. you're right. we could have a real power vacuum. the question is you have to make a decision, where does this fit on your national interest and what sort of resources and risks are you willing to take. >> and in fact is the president backed into a corner? he says here's the red line and we see everybody marching to the red line are, puts him in kind of a tough position, doesn't it? >> yeah, look, syria is at the center of the middle east. if this thing is becomes a failed state with gases like saran, if al-qaeda like groups take it over, it will be a source of instability for the next serl decades. something has to be done now. you can't play around with this anymore. >> thank you, gentlemen. nice to have you with us this evening. >>> next, 29 days and counting for the fiscal cliff. john boehner offers up his own plan today. and the white house has already offered up their response. then later, a photo in the trayvon martin case has been released in color. we'll show it to you and a new heir to the
we saw what happened with benghazi. islamists are pouring into syria. you're right. we could have a real power vacuum. the question is you have to make a decision, where does this fit on your national interest and what sort of resources and risks are you willing to take. >> and in fact is the president backed into a corner? he says here's the red line and we see everybody marching to the red line are, puts him in kind of a tough position, doesn't it? >> yeah, look, syria is at the...